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Wednesday, April 15, 2026

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Wolpert’s Theorems about Mutual Unpredictability and the Impossibility of Subuniverses to Predict with Highest Resolution of Causality-Control are Rediscoveries of Concepts from Theory of Universe and Mind – Entangled with Unnecessary Mathematical Notation and Unsatisfiable Premises

Wolpert’s Theorems about Mutual Unpredictability and the Impossibility of Subuniverses to Predict with Highest Resolution of Causality-Control are Rediscoveries of Concepts from Theory of Universe and Mind – Entangled with Unnecessary Mathematical Notation and Unsatisfiable Premises

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/403842042_Wolpert's_Theorem_about_Mutual_Unpredictability_and_the_Impossibility_of_Subuniverses_to_Predict_with_Highest_Resolution_of_Causality-Control_are_Rediscoveries_of_Concepts_from_Theory_of_Universe_and

 In a discussion from 8.2025 on AGI List, a part of which I archived at SIGI-2025 as a paper, titled "Power overrides intelligence", Matt Mahoney mentioned some "Wolpert's law" of which I didn't know at the time. Later that year I discovered it without searching for it from other publications, and I found out that in fact this is a fork of my own "Arnaudov's laws" (principles), published and explained 4-5 years before the first paper of Wolpert (2007-2008) and up to 16 years before a consequent paper from 2018*. There is a match even on "Liar's paradox" - it is addressed in my work as well, however I "scaled" it to even more absurd form, ridiculed it and explained why it was nonsense and it didn't prove what the "cheaters" intended. It is related to the concept in TUM "resolution of causality-control and perception"; comparison of  representation with different and incompatible RCCP. "What's the color of the rainbow?" (one color) These are ill-posed problems, presented as well-posed by "cheaters". In this circumstances, any higher-resolution answer is correct, as the lower-resolution causality-control doesn't have capacity to distinguish the answers.

The original "law" from TUM also reflects the hierarchical structure of the predictions and CCUs, which work as and are created by hierarchical universal simulators of virtual universes, i.e. predictors and causers, which are multi-resolution, multi-range, multi-scale, multi-domain, multi-precision, ... multi- ...  Wolpert has a corresponding concept "a general-purpose prediction device, capable of correctly predicting different aspects of the universe’s future",  however his "devices", at least so long as I interpreted the paper, are flat and they predict/not predict, true/false", "A/not A" - 1-bit nonsense in the real Universe, as explained in TUM. 

This paper is a chapter from the book "Reflections on Everything", or "Listove", the second-largest volume from "The Prophets of the Thinking Machines: AGI & Transhumanism: History, Theory and Pioneers; Past, Present and Future", SIGI-2025, 10.2025.

Abstract

This work presents a critical and comparative analysis of the theoretical limits of prediction, inference, and control in physical systems, focusing on the framework introduced by David H. Wolpert and its relationship to the Theory of Universe and Mind (TUM). Wolpert’s theorems establish that no inference device embedded within a universe can achieve complete and error-free prediction, observation, or control of other devices, and that mutual perfect predictability between independent agents is impossible. These results are often interpreted as formal limits on knowledge, extending earlier ideas such as the impossibility of Laplace’s demon.

The present paper argues that these conclusions correspond to principles previously articulated within TUM, where the universe is modeled as a hierarchical computational structure composed of interacting causality-control units (CCUs). In this framework, predictive and causal capacities are determined by the resolution of causality-control and perception (RCCP), with higher-level subsystems operating on compressed representations of lower-level dynamics. As a consequence, all subsystems exhibit bounded predictive power, limited memory, and partial control, while only the universe as a whole achieves maximal resolution and completeness.

The analysis further examines the assumptions underlying formal inference models, particularly the treatment of devices as independent entities. It is argued that, in physically realized systems, all subsystems are inherently correlated due to shared origin, continuous interaction, and embedding within a common dynamical structure. This challenges the applicability of certain formal premises and suggests that observed limits on prediction arise from structural and hierarchical constraints rather than solely from logical or computational restrictions.

Additionally, the paper critiques the use of highly abstract logical formulations – such as binary query models and paradox-based arguments – as insufficient for capturing the multi-scale, continuous, and physically grounded nature of real-world systems. Instead, it advocates for models that incorporate hierarchical organization, varying resolutions, and the interplay between compression and prediction.

The conclusion is that while formal results on the limits of inference are valid and significant, they can be more comprehensively interpreted within a broader framework that accounts for the hierarchical and embedded nature of cognition and physical processes.

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                This work is a chapter from the book “Reflections on Everything”, or “Listove” (Листове по всичко), which is an appendix and the second-biggest volume from the hyperbook “The Prophets of The Thinking Machines: Artificial General Intelligence and Transhumanism: History, Theory and Pioneers; Past, Present and Future”, T.Arnaudov, 2025-1.2026 – all published at the yearlong virtual conference “Self-Improving General Intelligence/Thinking Machines” 2025, organized by The Sacred Computer: Thinking Machines, Creativity and Human Development, a virtual multi- and interdisciplinary AGI and Transhumanism research and development laboratory, created in 2000. The first classic works of Theory of Universe and Mind were published between 2001 and 2004. Core ideas from the theory were presented in a lecture at Technical University of Sofia in September 2009 and in the world’s first university course in AGI at the University of Plovdiv “Paisii Hilendarski”, Bulgaria in 2010 and 2011.

The Sacred Computer: Thinking Machines, Creativity and Human Development: 2000-2026

https://github.com/twenkid

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* See references to my work in the paper and in the referred books

* Physical limits of inference, David H. Wolpert, MS 269-1, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA 94035, USA, https://arxiv.org/pdf/0708.1362  [Submitted on 10 Aug 2007 (v1), last revised 23 Oct 2008 (this version, v2)]

* Theories of Knowledge and Theories of Everything, D.Wolpert, February 2018


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Friday, June 20, 2025

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The Godfather of AI repeats ideas of the Child Prodigy of the Thinking Machines 24-22 years later

The Godfather of AI is *reproducing* ideas of the Child Prodigy of the Thinking Machines 24-22 years later*: *(Part I of the matches):

The Child: Todor Arnaudov, 17 years old, 12.2001, from: "Man and Thinking Machine: an Analysis of the Possibility of Creating a Thinking Machine and Some Shortcomings of Humans and Organic Matter in Comparison to it.", The Sacred Computer,
#13 (translated from Bulgarian with ChatGPT): "[before the citation begins, there are definitions about consciousness, related to what's now popular as an easier problem of consciousness" - intelligence as cognitive capabilities, behavior etc. vs the "hard" problem - spiritual, subjective experience etc. - see the work, the Theory of Universe and Mind etc.]):


"... If this is what consciousness is, then the thinking machine will undoubtedly have it. But if consciousness is the 'feeling of sensory perceptions,' then intelligent behavior does not necessarily mean the presence of consciousness, just as the lack of intelligence cannot prove the absence of consciousness. Personally, I am not entirely sure that consciousness in the sense of the 'feeling' of thoughts and emotions—experienced the way we humans (including myself) feel it—is solely the result of the joint activity of billions of neurons in the brain, of the complexity of their connections, and so on. It's easy to ask: where exactly is our 'self' located? Maybe 'we' are in the totality of billions of neurons? Fine — but if we remove one neuron from the whole (something that happens constantly, as neurons continuously die and are not replaced), and then another, and another, and so on — at what point do we cross the boundary after which a person will lose their self-awareness, will no longer feel what is happening, even though their external behavior still suggests that they do?", Todor Arnaudov, 17 years old, 2001

* The original in a geocities' archive:
https://www.oocities.org/eimworld/eimworld13/izint_13.html (or see the excerpt below)



The Godfather (and Grandfather):
* Geoffrey Hinton, 77 years old, June 2025 in an interview:

"Godfather of AI: I Tried to Warn Them, But We’ve Already Lost Control! Geoffrey Hinton",The Diary Of A CEO

https://youtu.be/giT0ytynSqg?t=3939 Transcript from Youtube:

" suppose i take your brain and i take one brain cell in

1:05:44: your brain and i replace it by this a bit black mirror-l like i replace it by

1:05:50: a little piece of nanotechnology that's just the same size that behaves in exactly the same way when it gets pings

1:05:56: from other neurons it sends out pings just as the brain cell would have so the other neurons don't know anything's

1:06:02: changed okay i've just replaced one of your brain cells with this little piece of nanotechnology; would you still be

1:06:08: conscious now you can see where this argument is going yeah so if you replaced all of them as i replace them all at what point do you stop being conscious? 


--> The matches continue ... (At least two important points and I didn't watch the whole)

Visit the virtual conference SIGI-2025: https://github.com/twenkid/sigi-2025


* The Godfather or the Grandfather - both are true in the context of the "Child", LOL.

An AI joke:

How the Godfather knows ... -- this will go to another post or a short on Youtube; also do you know why Connor ... well - maybe you'll guess, but verify it later. 


Оригинал на български (the bold font is from the original text):

"... Ако това е съзнанието, ММ несъмнено ще го има. Но ако съзнанието е "усещането на сетивните възприятия", то разумно поведение не значи непременно наличие на съзнание, както и липсата на разум не може да докаже отсъствието на съзнание. Лично за себе си не съм напълно сигурен, че съзнанието в смисъл на "усещане" на мислите и чувствата по начина, по който го усещаме ние хората (в частност и моя милост), се дължи само на съвместната работа на милиардите неврони в главния мозък, от сложността на връзките и пр.. Лесно да се запитаме къде точно се намира нашето "Аз" ? Може би "ние" сме в съвкупността от милиарди неврона? Добре, ако отстраним един неврон от цялото (това е нещо, което се случва постоянно, невроните непрекъснато умират и не биват замествани от нови)? Ако продължим и премахнем още един, и още един и така нататък, кога ще стигнем до границата, след която човекът ще загуби своето самосъзнание, няма да усеща това което се случва, въпреки че външните му прояви показват, че го усеща?"



* Notes+: The other matches were about the advantages of the computers ("neural networks" in Hinton's word) - the vast bitrate compared the the dozens of bits per humans (see the same Man and Thinking Machines, the original AI strategy from 2003. (...)


56:30: Running on different substrates (immortal computation), Cloning the same intelligence ("The Truth", 2002; The first AI strategy, 2003; Man and Thinking Machine ..., 2001)

43: "mundane intellectual work" is replaced - predicted here in 2013 (not only the mundane)

1:01: The confusion how "creative" and unique humans are etc.

(I'm not sure about his conviction about the subjective experience of the chatbots, though - it depends how it isdefined; this is "mindification", see Universe and Mind 6. )


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