Monday, April 21, 2014
In
Articles,
Artificial General Intelligence,
Artificial Intelligence,
English,
News,
Philosophy,
Razumir,
Research,
български,
Разумир
by Todor "Tosh" Arnaudov - Twenkid
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Monday, April 21, 2014
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Razumir - the Revival of one of the first AGI-related e-zines "The Sacred Computer" | РАЗУМИР - възраждането на юнашкото списание "Свещеният сметач"
Thursday, April 10, 2014
In
AGI,
Analysis,
Comment,
Humans,
Thinking Machines,
Transhumanism
by Todor "Tosh" Arnaudov - Twenkid
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Thursday, April 10, 2014
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Human Naked Intelligence of Average People is Going Backwards and the Human Cognitive Capacity Augmentation-Extending is a Matter of Degree
A comment of mine on a post that I encountered today, the full version of a partial one that I left there: http://www.singularityweblog.com/podcamp-toronto-2014-hole-ai-transhumanism-end-of-humanity/
It is addressed to the autrhor of the presentation and the article, see in the link.
I'd question that the exponential growth is hard to understand, it's rather a trivial mathematical concept (geometric progression), that is multiplication and sequences of multiplications - rather than additions. The example with the chess is an illustration of where an inconsiderate decision may lead, and the wisdom of the master.
However human sensory system is exponential even at its low level and multiplication is basic maths.
I'd question also the "intuitive" truth that everything is accelerating - one important thing that is not, which is going backwards, is the average/ordinary people's intelligence, when they are "naked".
Dumb people with smart technology can do more sophisticated tasks now, than some clever men in the past, but that's only apparently, and that intelligence is in the machines and in the other clever (or already "augmented") humans - who have provided it already and accumulated it there. [There was some article regarding that, for the time-traveler and a woman with a smartphone behind a curtain] People mostly just click buttons and tap on colourful icons, fighting for their attention. "Sixteen-core" smartphones with 4K cameras and 4 GB RAM - used to take pictures of meals or 100 shots of the night at the disco, or to send an 80-characters of a tweet, with an opinion "Listening to ... Feeling amazing". That's the sad "progress" of average people's intelligence...
For example most computer users, even engineers, do not have enough talent to conceive or design a computer from scratch, even an ABC-UNIVAC-like, they know how to push buttons the right way.
Nowadays the average people still can't play musical instruments, draw decently, dance decently, write stories and do lots of otherwise trivial activities, which talented people have done thousands of year ago. These ones still appear as "magical" for ordinary people - they just cannot get it. [See "multidomain and inter-domain blindness" in this blog and on the AGIRI list discussions.]
That is about to change, but the intelligence would be in the machine anyway, if you create something with a click of a button and you do not understand it deeply enough to model it with other means, it's the technology that does the job.
The technology, namely the dopamine-related short-circuits that are shocking the prefrontal-cortex through the exposure ot television, cheap reinforcement learning reward-cycles on social media, computer games and all sorts of blinking random pieces of images and text online, all these make the majority of people ever more superficial and having shorter attention span.
The questions which appear to them as "ground-breaking" or "unanswered" or "scandalous" were clarified and "scraped" down to their conceptual bones long ago, not only (or not by) the "VIP" figures that you mention, and these ideas are neither that new, nor that revolutionary.
Humans are already "augmented", every technology is extending their capacity, the "physical" merging and when it starts is a matter of a degree, both spatio-temporal and of effectiveness. The boundary is also not that sharp and is artificial - the retina is considered a part of the brain, the lenses of the eye and the pupil - they are also doing "preprocessing" - projecting and focussing. The only obvious "selfness" of the receptors in the body is that they have parts that are living cells, but without stimuli the receptors do nothing. For example, they say that blind-deaf people do not even try to explore the world, if left untouched (physically). They just freeze and stay, there's no external sensory stimulation, and their cognitive capacity is useless.
There are also philosophical views, such as externalisms, and the "extended mind" which point out the obvious fact, that humans are tightly bonded with the "tools" in the external world. We've been using the environment to do cognitive jobs in all times - I'd say that sensing itself is a form of basic preprocessing, in philosophical terms it's converting of the "thing in itself" in Kantian sense into phenomenons. The degree and the way of doing it is changing, and making people say "wow" that something is "new, revolutionary, ground-breaking" - it's a trick from marketing and propaganda, a boring way to grab attention of people who don't really care about the essence, but just about anything shocking, "new", "extraordinary", provided by some high-status "prophets". I assume talks about aliens, UFO or some religious mysteries may provoke similar interest...
The "concessus" among the wise men who are working in that theoretical field, for example on "what is human" (what "should be considered", apparently, or what humans think is human, or why humans want that they are "special" and how they rationalize that etc. etc.) is another topic.
Reaching to a concensuss is impossible between people with hugely varying intelligence, the majority wouldn't even get the real questions. It's rather about political sciences, public relations, pleasing the audience or scaring it out - as explained above.
IMHO the most deep works will never reach the minds of the ones who are not smart enough, and the superficial discussions and making people "involved" with the subjects are not understanding, it's just impressions, well a sort of... "techno-impressionism".
Current average people and also most of the "clever" ones still do not understand centuries old philosophy or also science and maths (pick for example Calculus), they may only see some illustrations, flashy expressions of the deep truth from such works, but they will not *understand* the "mechanics" behind, just "feel" something emotional or a shadow, or recite some words related to it.
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It is addressed to the autrhor of the presentation and the article, see in the link.
I'd question that the exponential growth is hard to understand, it's rather a trivial mathematical concept (geometric progression), that is multiplication and sequences of multiplications - rather than additions. The example with the chess is an illustration of where an inconsiderate decision may lead, and the wisdom of the master.
However human sensory system is exponential even at its low level and multiplication is basic maths.
I'd question also the "intuitive" truth that everything is accelerating - one important thing that is not, which is going backwards, is the average/ordinary people's intelligence, when they are "naked".
Dumb people with smart technology can do more sophisticated tasks now, than some clever men in the past, but that's only apparently, and that intelligence is in the machines and in the other clever (or already "augmented") humans - who have provided it already and accumulated it there. [There was some article regarding that, for the time-traveler and a woman with a smartphone behind a curtain] People mostly just click buttons and tap on colourful icons, fighting for their attention. "Sixteen-core" smartphones with 4K cameras and 4 GB RAM - used to take pictures of meals or 100 shots of the night at the disco, or to send an 80-characters of a tweet, with an opinion "Listening to ... Feeling amazing". That's the sad "progress" of average people's intelligence...
For example most computer users, even engineers, do not have enough talent to conceive or design a computer from scratch, even an ABC-UNIVAC-like, they know how to push buttons the right way.
Nowadays the average people still can't play musical instruments, draw decently, dance decently, write stories and do lots of otherwise trivial activities, which talented people have done thousands of year ago. These ones still appear as "magical" for ordinary people - they just cannot get it. [See "multidomain and inter-domain blindness" in this blog and on the AGIRI list discussions.]
That is about to change, but the intelligence would be in the machine anyway, if you create something with a click of a button and you do not understand it deeply enough to model it with other means, it's the technology that does the job.
The technology, namely the dopamine-related short-circuits that are shocking the prefrontal-cortex through the exposure ot television, cheap reinforcement learning reward-cycles on social media, computer games and all sorts of blinking random pieces of images and text online, all these make the majority of people ever more superficial and having shorter attention span.
The questions which appear to them as "ground-breaking" or "unanswered" or "scandalous" were clarified and "scraped" down to their conceptual bones long ago, not only (or not by) the "VIP" figures that you mention, and these ideas are neither that new, nor that revolutionary.
Humans are already "augmented", every technology is extending their capacity, the "physical" merging and when it starts is a matter of a degree, both spatio-temporal and of effectiveness. The boundary is also not that sharp and is artificial - the retina is considered a part of the brain, the lenses of the eye and the pupil - they are also doing "preprocessing" - projecting and focussing. The only obvious "selfness" of the receptors in the body is that they have parts that are living cells, but without stimuli the receptors do nothing. For example, they say that blind-deaf people do not even try to explore the world, if left untouched (physically). They just freeze and stay, there's no external sensory stimulation, and their cognitive capacity is useless.
There are also philosophical views, such as externalisms, and the "extended mind" which point out the obvious fact, that humans are tightly bonded with the "tools" in the external world. We've been using the environment to do cognitive jobs in all times - I'd say that sensing itself is a form of basic preprocessing, in philosophical terms it's converting of the "thing in itself" in Kantian sense into phenomenons. The degree and the way of doing it is changing, and making people say "wow" that something is "new, revolutionary, ground-breaking" - it's a trick from marketing and propaganda, a boring way to grab attention of people who don't really care about the essence, but just about anything shocking, "new", "extraordinary", provided by some high-status "prophets". I assume talks about aliens, UFO or some religious mysteries may provoke similar interest...
The "concessus" among the wise men who are working in that theoretical field, for example on "what is human" (what "should be considered", apparently, or what humans think is human, or why humans want that they are "special" and how they rationalize that etc. etc.) is another topic.
Reaching to a concensuss is impossible between people with hugely varying intelligence, the majority wouldn't even get the real questions. It's rather about political sciences, public relations, pleasing the audience or scaring it out - as explained above.
IMHO the most deep works will never reach the minds of the ones who are not smart enough, and the superficial discussions and making people "involved" with the subjects are not understanding, it's just impressions, well a sort of... "techno-impressionism".
Current average people and also most of the "clever" ones still do not understand centuries old philosophy or also science and maths (pick for example Calculus), they may only see some illustrations, flashy expressions of the deep truth from such works, but they will not *understand* the "mechanics" behind, just "feel" something emotional or a shadow, or recite some words related to it.
Monday, April 7, 2014
In
Academia,
Philosophy,
Аналитична философия,
университет,
Философия
by Todor "Tosh" Arnaudov - Twenkid
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Monday, April 07, 2014
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Спомен за "Схващане за всеобщата предопределеност 2" и за борбите с "университетската философия" | Memory of the epistolary Conception of the Universal Predetermination, Part 2 - from the Teenage Theory of Universe and Mind
Припомняне за "Схващане за всеобщата предопределеност 2" - един от основополагащите трудове в моята философия и светоглед, в основата на работата по най-съществените дела, с които се занимавам и са все по-близо до зрелищния си завършек.
За съжаление това разбира се бяха неосъществими фантазии, защото светът страда от "отровата на обществото" (нещо за което съм писал по различни поводи без да ползвам този израз, и ще пиша по-съсредоточено по темата по-късно), а талантът сам по себе си няма никаква стойност както сега, така и преди векове.
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Към епистоларния труд включвам и следния по-кратък диалог, 10 години след "Схващане за ...".
Диалог между Тодор Арнаудов и Бен Гьорцел: http://goertzel.org от 12/2012 г.
- с паралелен превод на български
Dialogue between Todor and Ben Goertzel (from AGI-List, in English and Bulgarian)
On "Five Principles in Developmental Robotics" - Matches of Todor Arnaudov's works from 2003-2004 to a 2006/2009 paper
Диалог относно "Пет принципа на Роботиката на развитието - съвпадения на твърдения от публикации на Тодор Арнаудов от 2003-2004 г. като тийнейджър с такива от "официални" научни публикации от 2006 и 2009 г. "
Към списъка със статии в него бих добавил и една съвсем новоизлязла книга, от един оксфордски философ, но не искам да й цитирам името и да й правя реклама...
Диалогът би могъл да се разшири, по още теми, но това ще стане най-накрая събера и реша да приложа на куп извадки из мои коментари от имейл списъка на AGIRI.
...
* Вече, с десетина години закъснение, почват да разбират - с помощта на всички други науки,които правят нещата все по-очевидни и недвусмислени дори и за все по-"слепи" и ограничени изследователи, и чрез авторитета на някои колеги.
** Артур Шопенхауер, "За университетската философия", изд. "З. Стоянов" 2009.
*** Виж и http://artificial-mind.blogspot.com/2014/01/20-in-bulgarian-issues-with-like.html
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Схващане за всеобщата предопределеност 2По онова време, 2001-2002 г. започвах да осъзнавам какво представлява умът и човешкото поведение и пр., а през 2003 и началото на 2004 г. нещата станаха още по-бистри (виж следващите публикации). При по-добро стечение на обстоятелствата, според мен към 2009-2010 г. прозренията можеше да са част от ума на пълноценни универсални мислещи машини.
Представлява страстен философски епистолераен диалог между 18-годишното ми "аз" и опитния философ, писател и общественик Ангел Грънчаров, с около 25 години по-възрастен от мен.
За съжаление това разбира се бяха неосъществими фантазии, защото светът страда от "отровата на обществото" (нещо за което съм писал по различни поводи без да ползвам този израз, и ще пиша по-съсредоточено по темата по-късно), а талантът сам по себе си няма никаква стойност както сега, така и преди векове.
Напоследък откривам, че борбите на Артур Шопенхауер с тогавашната "университетска философия" (преди 150-200 години)** са близки с моите борби с университетския псевдо изкуствен разум ("изкуствен интелект"), със заблудената академична обработка на естествен език (NLP) - виж What's wrong with NLP..., - която подобно на масата в "официалния" ИИ не можеше да разбере сетивно-моторния произход на езика и че трябва от него да започне*.
С панаира на суетата, предвзетостта, слугинството и сляпата служба на "авторитети", фалшивата "аристократичност" и лицемерие (за да публикуваш на конференции и да те признаят, трябва и да си платежоспособен или да служиш на богат господар); стремежът към количество, а не към качество и пр. и пр.
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Към епистоларния труд включвам и следния по-кратък диалог, 10 години след "Схващане за ...".
Диалог между Тодор Арнаудов и Бен Гьорцел: http://goertzel.org от 12/2012 г.
- с паралелен превод на български
Dialogue between Todor and Ben Goertzel (from AGI-List, in English and Bulgarian)
On "Five Principles in Developmental Robotics" - Matches of Todor Arnaudov's works from 2003-2004 to a 2006/2009 paper
Диалог относно "Пет принципа на Роботиката на развитието - съвпадения на твърдения от публикации на Тодор Арнаудов от 2003-2004 г. като тийнейджър с такива от "официални" научни публикации от 2006 и 2009 г. "
Към списъка със статии в него бих добавил и една съвсем новоизлязла книга, от един оксфордски философ, но не искам да й цитирам името и да й правя реклама...
Диалогът би могъл да се разшири, по още теми, но това ще стане най-накрая събера и реша да приложа на куп извадки из мои коментари от имейл списъка на AGIRI.
...
* Вече, с десетина години закъснение, почват да разбират - с помощта на всички други науки,които правят нещата все по-очевидни и недвусмислени дори и за все по-"слепи" и ограничени изследователи, и чрез авторитета на някои колеги.
** Артур Шопенхауер, "За университетската философия", изд. "З. Стоянов" 2009.
*** Виж и http://artificial-mind.blogspot.com/2014/01/20-in-bulgarian-issues-with-like.html
Недостатъци на гласуването с харесвам/нехаресвам в Уеб 2.0 и социалните медии и различни дефекти в системите за обществено оценяване и класиране
