Sunday, August 28, 2011


News: Coming up - on probabilities, logic, language, developmental psychology, bottom-up pattern discovery and prediction etc.

I've been involved a lot in working on my artistic career some months ago, but recently I've been turning on the research thread again - joined AGI mail list to notice the community there about the two AGI university courses taught in Plovdiv, and started to spend some time in AGI studies and reflection.

A comment of mine on Narrow AI-niks, in an Ben Goertzel article on "AI Nanny".

Matthew: Ben, I respect the opinion of AGI experts but because I have no programming expertise, I find it hard to ignore the plurality of “narrow” AI experts who believe AGI is not coming for a century of maybe never."

Todor: AGI is not about programming (unlike the AI-niks think) - it's about understanding how mind works. Programming would be the easiest part, once we do understand intelligence.

Plurality is not a strong argument - the majority of a population is supposed to have the minority of intelligence, and people who stick to the mainstream often are not "right", they're just obedient and narrow-viewed, have no own vision, and no guts to do anything radical on their own.

Regarding understanding - the boring narrow AI-niks are not trying to understand intelligence (they don't believe they could), rather they're coding and engineering on problems, which seem intelligent, but are obviously quite solvable and flat, just need some "tinkering" and testing to get done. Such as self-driving cars etc., which is one of the best achievement of the top narrow AI-niks.

5 коментара:

Boris Kazachenko said...

It's all fine & good Todor, but you still aren't working :).

Todor "Tosh" Arnaudov - Twenkid said...

Thanks for reminding me :), but I've been doing another warm-up recently and have some insights and attempts to seed constructive directions to grow into my mind. I've been postponing a discussion in order to accumulate more and to be a bit better prepared.

Boris Kazachenko said...

There’s a theory (with some confirmation) that talking about doing something, & especially having people believe that you’re doing it, will de-motivate you from actually doing it. Basically, you construct a “social reality” that you’re accomplishing your goals, which makes you feel good & thereby reduces the need to actually accomplish them.

Mentifex said...

Nice to see "" as the name of a blog.

Todor "Tosh" Arnaudov - Twenkid said...

(Deleted one is this one, before editing.)


Thanks for the concern. It sounds reasonable at first read, but I don't think this theory was tested and applied correctly to twenkids aiming at managing to progress and do 100 hard tasks in parallel. Besides, I'm distracted and use to waste a lot of time sometimes, actually, unfortunately; so the hard tasks I do are even harder, done in even less time.

My "social reality" doesn't make me feel good - I'm neither commercially popular, nor really commercially acknowledged in my fields yet. I work for break-throughs, and I know it may take a lot of time for some fields.

I see mediocre authors (and bad AI, being funded), totally boring software which is well paid to develop; bad acting, non-creative "standard" movie making funded and acknowledged, and my zillions of original and different projects - impossible to realize, or me in a Herculean position.

I'm supposed to "prove" that I'm better than mediocre ones who just have boring formal education or have social status/credentials (and for this reason are payed and have stupid projects funded), that I am 10 times smarter and more talented than them, and that I'm doing something "valuable", but they're not smart enough to get it.

It's hard, this alone can either demotivate you, or motivate you harder to do or not to do a lot of things.

The number of my talents and interests/goals, and ideas, with vague or temporally too far expectations for commercial success (the bad social reality) also have been impeding my concentration and prioritizing.